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Agenda and minutes

Joint Transportation Board
Tuesday 6 June 2017 7.00 pm

Venue: Room B12, Civic Centre, Home Gardens, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1DR

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Note No. Item


Apologies for Absence.


Apologies for absence were received from Mrs Cole and Mr Kite and from Councillor Wells.


Declarations of Interest

To receive declarations of interest from Members including the terms(s) of the Grant of Dispensation (if any).


There were no declarations made.


To confirm the Minutes of the meeting of the Dartford Joint Transportation Board held on 7 March 2017. pdf icon PDF 70 KB




That the Minutes of the Joint Transportation Board held on 7 March 2017 be confirmed as a correct record of that meeting.


Urgent Items

The Chairman will announce his decision as to whether there are any urgent items and their position on the agenda.


The Chairman reported that there were no urgent items for the Board to consider.


References from other Committees (if any)


It was noted that there were no matters referred to the Board.



Matters Arising pdf icon PDF 46 KB

This report advises Members on the progress of matters arising at previous meetings of the Board.

Additional documents:


The Board received and noted a report on issues which were outstanding from previous meetings.


It was reported that the temporary traffic restrictions in the Fulwich Road area had been removed and that the issue could be removed from the outstanding issues list.


Verbal Update by the Chairman: Lower Thames Crossing

The Chairman will update Members on this matter.


The Chairman reminded Members that the location of the new Lower Thames Crossing had been announced as being to the east of Gravesend.  It was estimated that the construction would be completed in around 10 years’ time and that in the interim a sum of £10 million had been allocated for work to alleviate congestion at the Dartford Crossing.


In addition the Chairman reported that the Development Control Board at its meeting held on 20 April 2017 had considered a report on an application relating to access for a proposed strategic rail deport at Howbury Park in Bexley and had refused permission mainly due to the impact of traffic the deport would generate passing through Dartford.


Parking Problems Ingress Park

The Chairman has asked that the matter of the ongoing parking related issues on Ingress Park be considered by the Board.


Representatives of Crest Homes, the developer, and the company responsible for the management of Ingress Park have been invited to the meeting.


A verbal update on the current situation will be provided by the Transport Services Manager.


The Chairman reported that parking issues at the Crest Nicholson development at Ingress Park, Greenhithe, had gradually worsened since the development first opened over 10 years ago and currently residents and visitors are parking illegally and inconsiderately at a number of locations across the development area. 


Mr Boudville, the newly appointed Principal Transport Planner, informed the Board of the issues on Ingress Park, relating to


·         The mixture of adopted and un - adopted highway on Ingress Park


·         Restrictive covenants imposed by Crest Nicholson relating to car ownership by residents


·         Enforcement of the covenants by  Firstport the Ingress Park Management Company


·         Enforcement of parking restrictions by Dartford Borough Council


·         Confusion relating to the use of Visitor parking bays


·         Possible misuse of the Fastrack roadway


·         Dangerous and inconsiderate parking on roundabouts and corners.


Mr Harman informed the Board that there had been considerable confusion and frustration amongst residents regarding parking on Ingress Park, and that there had been much discussion regarding possible solutions to the problems.


The Chairman informed Members that he had invited both Crest Nicholson and First Port the management company concerned to attend the meeting and was extremely disappointed that they had both declined the offer. 

He further undertook to contact the two companies again to repeat his invitation to attend a future Board meeting to talk through the problems.


It was noted however that the Companies had both submitted statements relating to the issues and the Chairman asked that these be attached to the Minutes of the meeting as Appendices.


Mr Boudville further explained that he felt that a mixed approach to parking management was necessary for Ingress Park as the original principle of parking control by design had failed. 


However he stressed that whatever approach was adopted it would be necessary to be sensitive to the unique nature of Ingress Park.


Members agreed to note the discussion and information provided.


St Clements' Interchange: Junction Improvements pdf icon PDF 86 KB

A report on the proposals for the improvement of the St Clements interchange will be presented by Mr John Farmer of KCC highways. 


Detailed drawings of the proposals will be available to Members at the meeting.


The Board received a report and presentation from Mr John Farmer of Kent County Council Highways on the progress of the St Cements Way / London Road, Greenhithe junction improvement scheme, together with feedback and amendments arising from the public consultation exercise undertaken.


It was reported that there had been amendments to the originally proposed scheme to address a number of concerns raised during consultation, including the re alignment of bus lanes to afford easier access to St Clements Way from Steele Avenue and Riverview Road.


It was also noted that the scheme was fully funded, that a contractor had been appointed to allow for speedy commencement of the works and that it was hoped to commence works in early 2018 with a projected construction period of 18 months.


The Board agreed to note the report and thanked Mr Farmer for his presentation.


Petition: Phoenix Place Parking Issues

Phoenix Place, Dartford, Kent.


A petition with over 150 signatures has been received requesting parking controls and traffic calming measures in the area to alleviate dangerous and inconsiderate parking.  The Chairman has granted the lead petitioner permission to address the Board on the request.


Consideration of this matter was deferred at the last meeting of the
Board to allow the Petitioners to attend.



The Board was reminded that at its meeting held on 7 March 2017 it deferred consideration of a petition relating to parking issues at Phoenix Place, Dartford to allow the petitioners the opportunity to attend the meeting and address the Board.


The Chairman invited the chief petitioner to explain the issues that were being raised.


Mrs Lesley Smith explained that she was the Chair of the Phoenix Place Residents’ Association and that her members’ roads were plagued by illegal and inconsiderate parking.  She informed the Board that vehicles were parked by patrons of the nearby Fox and Hounds Public house, by shoppers and by commuters.  The roads were narrow and had a number of blind corners, and many of her members were elderly.


Whilst there had not been any accidents the combination of these points made such an occurrence almost inevitable at some time in the future.


Mr Boudville explained that to introduce parking controls in residential road required that a formal consultation exercise be undertaken, with an over 50% approval rate amongst all residents.


In order to commence this process, it was Council Policy that local ward councillors obtain the approval of the Leader of the Council.


The Chairman therefore advised Mrs Smith that she approach her ward Councillors with a request that they seek such approval.


Wilmington Schools: Traffic and Parking Issues Update

The Vice Chairman has asked that this matter be placed on the Agenda for consideration.


Mrs Allen, the Vice Chairman, provided an update to the Board on the progress made in the introduction of traffic control measures and road safety features in Common Lane, Wilmington, in the area of the Wilmington schools.


She reported that the following had now been introduced and that progress on other measures was still ongoing.


·         A 20 mph speed limit

·         An HGV ban

·         The widening of pavements

·         The installation of corner protection

·         The re - routing of buses

·         The amendment of some school timetables to stagger busy periods


 It was also noted that a school crossing was to be installed during the school summer break.


Whilst parking was still an issue outside schools, it was noted that this was a problem caused by parents and that education was necessary to reduce this.


It was suggested that greater enforcement may yield results in this respect and that targeting persistent offenders would be beneficial.


Mr Boudville reported that measures were being considered by Officers to secure such an outcome.


The Board noted the update.


Fastrack Update

Kent County Council Officers may wish to report verbally on developments on the Fastrack system.


It was reported that a full update on Fastrack would be made at the next meeting of the Board on 5 September 2017.


Councillor Lampkin enquired about the maintenance of the gate on the Fastrack route adjoining Acacia Hall in Dartford.  The gate seemed to be broken and permanently open causing a possible traffic hazard.


The Clerk to the meeting undertook to look into the ownership of the gate and seek its repair.


Members Enquiry Items

Members have the opportunity to raise  the following: -


·         Questions in relation to capital and revenue funded works programmes

·         Suggestions for future traffic regulation orders or street management proposals

·         Questions on policies, plans and strategies related to highways, road traffic and public transport.

·         Suggestion of a future agenda item (subject to the Chairman’s approval)



Councillor Mrs Ozog requested further information relating to delays in street lighting replacement in the Hallford Way area.


Ms Sutton reported that she was aware of some problems in the area but not of exact details, and thus she would contact Members direct with an explanation of the situation.


Road Works in the Borough of Dartford pdf icon PDF 22 KB

Members will be advised of the roadworks which were currently being undertaken or expected within the Borough.

Additional documents:


The Board received a report which set out details of highways works in progress or approved for commencement during 2017 / 2018 in the Dartford area.


Arising from the report Mr Harman asked that works to remove Visitor Parking wording from the highway in Ingress Park be added to the list of Member funded items that he had proposed.



KCC - Environment, Highways and Waste pdf icon PDF 14 KB

The following has been attached for Members information: -


§    Environment and Waste Cabinet Committee – Minutes 13 March 2017



NB: If a Member wishes to discuss any of these items at the meeting, please advise the Member Services Section (01322) 343251 prior to the meeting.

Additional documents:


The Board received and noted the Minutes of the Kent County Council Environment and Transport Cabinet Committee held on 13 March 2017.


Appendices relating to Ingress Park Parking




Statement re parking at Ingress Park Greenhithe



As a responsible developer we are committed to designing and providing parking provision consistent and compliant with planning policy, and mindful of the needs and requirements of residents purchasing properties on the Ingress Park development.


Given the long term nature of this development we have monitored the issue of parking throughout our presence on site since 2000. During this period we have sought to communicate to all residents the parking strategy on the development and the controls in place via covenants to protect the mutual free enjoyment of the development by all residents. The overall impact of parking and the enjoyment of this aspect of the site on an equitable and fair basis for all is controlled via :


·         Provision of parking spaces in line with property size (as constrained by policy at the time of planning permission).

·         Provision of visitor space parking.

·         Covenants agreed by all residents on purchase regarding the use and scope of parking entitlement.

·         Mutual respect adopted by all residents for each other and their developed environment.


Community life on the development is in part administered by the managing agent (FirstPort) employed to manage and administer a variety of things including parking. Their priority – supported by Crest as the developer – is to carry out these tasks in an efficient and equitable manner for the benefit of all residents.


Parking enforcement should not be necessary if all residents: used garages and parking spaces for the purpose provided; adhered to the covenants they have legally agreed to; and were respectful of their neighbours and fellow community members. Unfortunately, this is not the case and parking enforcement has been adopted as a solution of last resort. Inevitably, it is devisive, and will never please all.


In recent years the application of parking enforcement has become more complicated and inconsistent with the split in ownership of the site. The managing agent can only carry out enforcement on areas under its control, and as areas become adopted by the local highways authority any enforcement on these areas moves to their control. Once there is inconsistent enforcement an opportunity opens up for those that seek to abuse parking arrangements.


Whilst Crest is committed to doing the best it can to ensure that parking is available on a fair and equitable basis for all residents, we are constrained by policies within the planning environment governing what is provided, and can only regulate selfish and disrespectful behaviour as above. Ultimately the use of the parking provided is the responsibility of the community of individuals who live on the development.




A Statement from FirstPort Bespoke Property Services

 “Understandably parking is an extremely emotive issue for residents at Ingress Park and we truly sympathise with those affected. Our understanding is that the focus of the Joint Transportation Board is the Council’s adopted roads, which FirstPort are not responsible for, and we will therefore not be part of this debate. However, we  ...  view the full minutes text for item 69.