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Agenda and minutes

Joint Transportation Board
Tuesday 6 December 2016 7.00 pm

Venue: Room B12, Civic Centre, Home Gardens, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1DR

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Apologies for Absence.


Apologies for absence were received from Mr Harman and Mr Kite, from Councillors Hayes, Lampkin and Wells, and from Mr Boudville.


The Chairman welcomed Messrs George, Lightowler and Read, and Ms Denise Sutton from Kent County Council, Mr Whittingham from Highways England and Messrs Coleman and Jennings from Arriva Buses to the meeting.


Declarations of Interest

To receive declarations of interest from Members including the terms(s) of the Grant of Dispensation (if any).


There were no declarations received.


To confirm the Minutes of the meeting of the Dartford Joint Transportation Board held on 6 September 2016 pdf icon PDF 79 KB


That the minutes of the Joint Transportation Board held on 6 September 2016 be confirmed as a correct record of that meeting.


Urgent Items

The Chairman will announce his decision as to whether there are any urgent items and their position on the agenda.


The Chairman reported that there were no urgent items for the Board to consider.  However she informed Members that a short report on the Kent County Local Weather Service Plan had been provided for the Board’s information.




References from other Committees (if any)


It was noted that there were no matters referred to the Board for consideration.



Matters Arising pdf icon PDF 45 KB

This report advises Members on the progress of matters arising at previous meetings of the Board.

Additional documents:


The Board received an update on a number of issues outstanding from previous meetings and noted that certain information was contained elsewhere in the Agenda.


Arising from the update the following issues were raised


Bob Dunn Way

Councillor Maddison asked if there had been any progress on the issues of access and flooding / drainage.  Ms Sutton confirmed that she had no further information for the Board on either issue,


Mr Maddison suggested that the relevant Officers responsible for drainage be invited to the next meeting of the Board.


Ivy Close Parking Issues

Although this issue was not included on the Matters Arising report Mr Maddison enquired if KCC had any update on the matter which he had raised at the last meeting.


In the light of the lack of a response on this matter he asked that it be added to the Report for future monitoring.


Misuse of busways by Motorists

Parking Issues Leigh College Area

Maiden Lane : Traffic / Parking

Members asked if the Transport Services Manager could provide an update on these issues to Board Members before the next meeting.


Wilmington Village Traffic Measures

A verbal update will be provided by the Chairman on the introduction of traffic controls and other measures in Wilmington to overcome problems arising at local schools.




The Chairman gave an update on measures which have been undertaken to overcome traffic and parking issues in Wilmington partly caused by people visiting / using / dropping children at the schools in Common Lane.


Mrs Allen thanked KCC highways officers for their assistance in the matter and reported that some progress was being made to alleviate congestion by way of student and parent involvement, co - operation from local bus companies, and that work had taken place to clear pavements and trim trees which improved safety for pedestrians.


However Mrs Allen did express concern at the growing school population in this area, resulting from expansion in the local schools which were not being matched by improvements to the existing road infrastructure.


Joint Transportation Board Sub Group - Meeting 4 October 2016 - Update pdf icon PDF 119 KB

Councillor Keith Kelly will update the Board on this meeting.  Additionally a short report from KCC Highways is attached for Member information.


Councillor Kelly reported on the meeting of the sub Group which had taken place on 4 October 2016, where a number of proposed measures had been discussed designed to overcome traffic congestion problems arising from the Dartford Crossing.  The meeting was attended by Councillor Kelly, Mr Harman Mr T Maddison and Mr Ozog.


It was noted that a number of possible measures had been discussed and that detailed plans would be presented to the Board on their introduction in due course.


Councillor Kelly thanked Mrs Smith and Mr Westwood for their help in facilitating the meeting.


In conjunction with the report from Councillor Kelly the Board received a short report from KCC highways which set out details of a number of improvements which had already been introduced and were designed to ameliorate traffic congestion at the crossing and its environs.


Additionally the Board received a verbal update, by telephone, from Mr Kite which outlined a number of meetings that had taken place involving Dartford Councillors, Gareth Johnson - the local MP, KCC Highways Officers, and statutory agencies relating to the River Crossing and its impact on Dartford.


Mr Kite informed the Board that he and colleagues had attended general operational meetings relating to the river crossing, traffic management meetings with the Kent Police at their Headquarters in Maidstone and specific meetings to discuss congestion and measures to address particular problems.


He explained that the meetings had been very useful and that a rapport was being built between the Borough Council and the Highways Agency.  He also reported that on - going junction works on the M25 / A13 interchange (Junction 30 0f the M25) were now complete and that this should go some way to relieve problems at the River Crossing.


The Chairman thanked Mr Kite for his contribution.



A short verbal update on Fastrack may be provided to Members by KCC Highways Officers.


Mr Phillip Lightowler, Head of Public Transport for Kent County Council, gave a brief report on issues relating to the Fastrack bus system.


He reported that


·         The introduction of camera enforcement on Ingress Park was still being considered and a report would be presented on the in the New Year.


·         Issues with traffic signals.  He informed the Board that new sensors had been procured and that work to install these in the road surface would commence soon.


·         Real Time Information displays.  These are to be fitted to shelters very shortly.


·         A new contract for shelter maintenance has now been agreed, and contractors will commence soon


·         A working Group for the future development of Fastrack has been approved


Arising from the report Councillor Kelly asked when Fastrack Manor Way was to be brought into commission.  Mr Lightowler was unable to give a firm date but did acknowledge that it would be sooner rather than later.


Additionally Councillor Kelly informed the Board that parking issues relating to the junction of Manor Way and Crossways Boulevard were being considered for the introduction of parking controls due to dangerous parking at that point.


Arriva Buses

Officers from Arriva buses will be present at the meeting.


The Chairman welcomed Messrs Jennings and Coleman from Arriva buses.


Mr Jennings firstly provided performance statistics for the Company’s vehicles in terms of punctuality over a five year period from 2011, together with an analysis the reasons why individual routes were delayed on individual dates over the past three months.


It was noted by the Board that the majority of the delays were due to congestion caused by road works or traffic accidents.


Mr Coleman reported on a number of measures being introduced by Arriva to overcome the delays, informing Members that additional drivers were being held in reserve for such occurrences, and radio communication was being used to re - route buses if necessary.


With regard to the rerouting of buses Mr Jennings asked if he could be provided with a list of contacts at the parish and town councils in order that they could be apprised of any necessary diversions, re routing or changes to services. 


The Chairman asked the Clerk to the meeting to pass this information on to Mr Jennings.


Members asked the following questions:


Mr Maddison enquired at the arrangements for carrying push chairs on buses, and if greater provision could be made.


Mr Coleman reported that unfortunately there was only limited space for push chairs, buggies or wheel chairs on vehicles and that to increase the space would leave less room for other passengers.


He also commented that the problem was worsened by the growing size of buggies and the unwillingness of some passengers to fold such buggies down


Councillor Page asked how relations were between Arriva and KCC Highways as it seemed that KCC caused them so many issues?


Mr Coleman responded that they had a very good working relationship with KCC as they liaised regularly on road work issues.


Mrs Cole commented that the reliability of the Fastrack service on the Fleet estate left something to be desired but noted that this was mainly due to issues caused by on – going road works.


Questions were also posed on the efficacy of the Live App service and the introduction of Smart Card payment on Arriva services.


It was confirmed that the Live App service was working although some operational difficulties did exist with its current use; with regard to Smart Card payments, the Board was informed that Arriva had no plans to introduce this.


Questions were also asked relating to the service offered by the 423, 433 and 489 routes as it appeared that these did not operate for early mornings and evening periods.


Mr Coleman confirmed that these vehicles were used as school buses during the periods and thus the service could not be extended to meet the need identified.  


Mr Jennings commented that it was apparent that a future for a service did exist but the format for this needed to be reconsidered, he also suggested that the introduction of minibus services on some routes may provide a viable alternative to usual size bus vehicles.


Councillor Lees expressed his disappointment  ...  view the full minutes text for item 35.


Proposed Waiting Restrictions Brunel Way Dartford. pdf icon PDF 387 KB


The Board received a report on proposals to introduce waiting restrictions in Brunel Way Dartford.


Members expressed some concern at the proposals as they could disproportionately affect local residents when the parking problems were being caused by staff from local businesses.  Additionally Members were unhappy that yellow lines had been placed on the highway before any Traffic Orders had been approved.


It was therefore agreed to defer consideration of the report to the next meeting of the Board to allow the relevant Kent Highways Officer to attend to provide further information on the issue.


Members Enquiry Items

Members have the opportunity to raise  the following: -


·         Questions in relation to capital and revenue funded works programmes

·         Suggestions for future traffic regulation orders or street management proposals

·         Questions on policies, plans and strategies related to highways, road traffic and public transport.

·         Suggestion of a future agenda item (subject to the Chairman’s approval)



Board Members raised the following matters:


Mr Ozog informed the Board that he had received complaints from residents of Heather Drive relating to commercial vehicles, contractors and commuters using the road as a cut through speeding and anti - social driving and parking.


Ms Sutton undertook to organise a visit to the site to consider additional measures that could be introduced to resolve the issues.


Councillor Kelly informed the Board that he had received complaints relating to dangerous and inconsiderate parking at


·         Mounts Road at it junction with Knockhall Road,


·         Mounts Road at its junction with Port Road, and


·         Eynsford Road


Councillor Kelly asked if the site could be considered for the introduction of parking restrictions on the grounds of road safety.


Councillor Page informed the Board of an on - going issue in Atlee Drive, where road side bollards were being removed or by - passed and cars were parking on the adjoining green space and as a result the green space was being ploughed up by vehicle in wet weather.


Ms Sutton acknowledged the problem and agreed to hold a site visit to look at possible solutions.


Councillor Ozog raised the issue of Fulwich Road – where traffic turning righjt from the a new development was coming into conflict with the one way system further along Fulwich Road.


It was suggested that Councillor Ozog contact the management company responsible for the development to ask them to introduce traffic signage to discourage right turns from the development.


Local Winter Service Plan


The Board received a brief report outlining the arrangements made between Kent County Council and Dartford Council to provide a local service in the event of a snow alert in the Dartford area.


The Board agreed to note the report.


Road Works in the Borough of Dartford pdf icon PDF 114 KB

Members will be advised of the roadworks which were currently being undertaken or expected within the Borough.


The Board received a report which set out details of Highways works in progress or approved for commencement during 20116 / 2017 in the Dartford area.


KCC - Environment and Transport Cabinet Committee pdf icon PDF 162 KB

For Members information the following has been attached for Members information: -


§    Environment, and Transport  Cabinet Committee – Minutes 7 September 2016



NB: If a Member wishes to discuss any of these items at the meeting, please advise the Member Services Section (01322) 343251 prior to the meeting.


The Board received and noted the Minutes of the meeting of the Kent County Council Environment and Transport Cabinet Committee held on 7 September 2016.


Arising from the minutes Councillor Lees enquired if budget underspends were available for use in the current financial year or would roll forward to future years.  The Chairman advised that such monies would roll forward to for use in future years.